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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

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  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  @ JW GoneBad - Gotta love sarcasm!! LOL

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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

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  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  Don't worry Standfirm. We understand that deep down inside, it's still a battle.

  

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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  Here, I found something below that should help Maze and Standfirm. And NO - it's NOT written by apostates. It's the 2008 edition but it should be updated soon. Hope it can be of help.

  

  Happy to make a worthwhile contribution to this thread!

  CoC
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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  @ Sizemik - I share your sentiments. I have contacted a few DFed people and let them know that their JW status means nothing to me. I merely seek their friendship and apologize for my disillusion.

  I asked my wife recently a question. That is, if her DFed friend, that actually used to be a best friend, came and asked her for help desperately needed, would she make herself available? She responded she didn't know. So then I asked, if it were a "wordly" person and they were in desperate need of help, would she make herself available? Without hesitation, she said yes.

  I asked if the the reason for not helping her former best friend was because 3 men declared her a sinner and as of yet had not declared her forgiven or repentant. She said no, it had more to do with Jehovah's arrangement. I mentioned that while there could be a basis of DFing based on the scriptures, who sets the precedent for who is forgiven, or for how long it should be that they are rejected and ignored by everyone?

  Of course no answer. I said that then she was willing to follow something that could be based on the Bible, claim to be a Bible student and yet then also follow something that is not in the Bible, but made up by man and call it Jehovah's arrangement. I ended with that as I could tell she was uncomfortable.

  What a loving arrangement JW's have, indeed!

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-01-2011 WT Study (LAWLESNESS)

  by blondie in

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  do you hate lawlessness?.

  can the elders enforce any laws since they cannot read hearts?

  love one another.

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  Oh dear Blondie! How do you tolerate this nonsense?! An unbelievable load of crap in this study. Anyhow, thanks for your review.

  The DFing section particularly annoyed me. I already commented on it in another thread specifically addressing that subject. ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/209741/1/Todays-WT-Study-Stupidity-About-Dfing )

  But I will repost my thoughts below.

  I find it interesting that DFing is a punishment for a crime committed by an unrepentant person. People in the real world are also punished for crimes.

  But isn't it weird, that even as imperfect as "worldly" people are, they are still willing to offer their help to a convict?

  For example, while a convict serves their term, they are given rights. Family is often able to visit with them as well as friends, even if it is on a limited basis. Also, some sort of rehab is offered during the sentence term, and perhaps even after, to help the person avoid the errors in the future (assuming they will be released, and yet regardless of that, they still have rights) and so that they can be better equipped to be readmitted into society. Again, I state, imperfect people do that.

  And yet, in the congregation, full of imperfect people, where most "crimes" don't even come close to deserving literal jail time, upon conviction, you lose EVERYTHING. No friends, no family, no contact. And while "serving the term of your conviction", there is no rehab offered by those that did the convicting, nor are others encouraged or allowed to help. The rehab is only offered after the convicted "comes back to Jehovah".

  SO, who has it wrong? Imperfect, caring, concerned individuals, or "Jehovah's organization"? I'll take number 1 for $500, please, Alex.

  It's definitely noticeable now the direction the society wants to take on this subject. Sickening.

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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  I find it interesting that DFing is a punishment for a crime committed by an unrepentant person. People in the real world are also punished for crimes.

  But isn't it weird, that even as imperfect as "worldly" people are, they are still willing to offer their help to a convict?

  For example, while a convict serves their term, they are given rights. Family is often able to visit with them as well as friends, even if it is on a limited basis. Also, some sort of rehab is offered during the sentence term, and perhaps even after, to help the person avoid the errors in the future (assuming they will be released, and yet regardless of that, they still have rights) and so that they can be better equipped to be readmitted into society. Again, I state, imperfect people do that.

  And yet, in the congregation, full of imperfect people, where most "crimes" don't even come close to deserving literal jail time, upon conviction, you lose EVERYTHING. No friends, no family, no contact. And while "serving the term of your conviction", there is no rehab offered by those that did the convicting, nor are others encouraged or allowed to help. The rehab is only offered after the convicted "comes back to Jehovah".

  SO, who has it wrong? Imperfect, caring, concerned individuals, or "Jehovah's organization"? I'll take number 1 for $500, please, Alex.

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  When did the WT say that homosexual extramarital affairs were not grounds for divorce?

  by doubtful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've heard it said that the watchtower printed an official stance on what qualifies as "adultery" at one point in the 1970s??

  they said that a woman was not free to divorce her husband if her husband had sex with another man or with an animal, as such sexual relations did not constitute "becoming one flesh"... apparently vaginal intercourse is the only means of fusing two human bodies together.... what watchtower is such a doctrine found in?

  is it in the wt cd-rom?

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  Marked
  Great topic. Thanks!
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  Diary of an Ex-Mormon- Must see for all Jw's still on the fence.

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hear the story of a young teenager indoctrinated into the mormon church and culture, growing to a man who would one day reject everything he'd been taught to believe.

  the similarities to the jw's are uncanny.. .

  stan's full story can be found in written form at:http://www.exmormon.org/whylft79.htm.

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  Excellent video!! And indeed eerily similar feelings to doubting JWs.
  I would just like to highlight a very powerful thing this man mentioned in the video. He said, "Free the mind, and the @€€ will follow." Words to remember.

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  "The Last Popes of the Watchtower"

  by leavingwt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just learned of this new book at the free minds store.

  i purchased a copy and i'm enjoying it.. .

  "for a 1218-page pdf file of the watchtower quotes being made currently that are used to control the masses, download the brand new and very large compendiary, anonymously written, the last popes of the watchtower.

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  Crisis of Conscience

  That last quote from the 2/1/96 Watchtower is interesting. It says to "cut off anything that feeds such doubts".

  Funny part is, how many here on this site, and even others not participating here, had their doubts begin while engaged in so called spiritual activity, with absolutely no contact to apostate literature or even their thoughts?

  I am one of those whose doubts began particularly while serving at Bethel. That was over 10 years ago. Apparently, I should've taken that advice and cut myself off from the org then, as this was the source of my doubts.

  But I digress. Thank you freeminds for providing this compilation. I hope it will be a source of help to many, if not all, that read it.

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-24-2011 WT Study (RIGHTEOUSNESS)

  by blondie in

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  1. what will help us to follow the tracks of righteousness?.

  3. how can we learn more about gods righteousness?.

  conform???.

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  Crisis of Conscience

  Thanks Blondie, especially for the "extra" research that provided the constant flip-flops we are used to, but may not have realized.

  CoC